AFreeNetbookForGNewSense

I am always searching for a netbook to run gNewSense without proprietary parts (except for the bios). I know Asus eee pc 701 and 900 do the job but what else? Dell Inspiron Mini has proprietary wifi and Asus eee pc 901/1000 too.

I see a lot of new netbooks around: Acer, MSI Wind, and so on.

Do you know about a netbook that is fully free with the bios exception? Please help testing gNewSense on new strange netbooks and report! :)

'a netbook to run gNewSense without proprietary parts (except for the bios)' --almost makes sense. i'm guessing you are asking about which laptops fully function using only free software? --CMS

Boring. My sentence makes sense and again you are wasting your time and mine without providing any answer to the question. There is not at this time any laptop that can fully function running only free software. All of them have proprietary bios and the only one with a free bios, the olpc, has a proprietary wifi. This is because I stated "excpet for the bios".

Anyway I asked about NETBOOK and not laptop in general so please be sure to understand the question before writing back.

i wasted time and now time doth waste me.

i've never encountered 'netbook'; what a lousy neologism.

how about you get the one w/a free bios and do without the wifi until it becomes available with free software? --shalom.

As a free software activist I am sure you know about what the leader of the OLPC movement did with Microsoft. Then I think you can understand the reasons why I don't want that machine.

Again this is the reason why I asked THAT precise question and not another one. Again you failed to provide any solution or answer so I repeat it:

Do you know about a netbook that is fully free with the bios exception? Please help testing gNewSense on new strange netbooks and report! :)

arc, have a look here:

http://www.airiskira.com/es/page-Airis+kira+Especificaciones-2.html

I read it has a good compatibility with Debian, and it comes natively with Windows or some kind of Linux.

Some people don't like the VIA processors or believe the 7" screen too small, but it could be an option.

Greetings!

arc: 'i am sure you know' --do not be so 'sure'. 'Do you know about a netbook' --never heard of a 'netbook'. wish i had a laptop, however. i think i will wait until a fully free laptop becomes available w/free bios. --shalom.

Santos': 'some kind of Linux' --please refer to the operating system by its proper name, 'GNU/Linux'. ~20cm is pretty small! oO --Shalom.

Actually, the Airis Kira Laptop comes with an operating systems who's "proper name" is Linpus Lite Linux, pre-installed.

Cheers

Thanks BroTiag, but you forgot the "GNU" part, this cleary prove you lost the right path to the Origin. Hallowed are the FSF. :D :D :D

Well, Santos-Dumont, I did not forget "GNU" since it's not in the Distributions "proper name", like say it is in Debian GNU/Linux.

Cheers Teague

BroTiag, forgive my little joke, but I think there are people over here that treat natural language as if it was ruled by a formal grammar. Forget it. ;)

heh. all very silly. fortunately, the entire exchange is public record therefore given to peer review. unlike some here i cannot speak for others so please allow them to conclude for themselves. i'm confident the fools are obvious. please note the community guidelines when posting to this forum in the future. adieu, bel ami. --shalom.

this is interesting

http://www.viaopenbook.com/

cmsimon i know you mean well with your corrections, but you are coming across very harsh it makes you seem like a troll here to upset everyone. I know this is a subject you are very passionate about i have seen your site. I believe if you would be more effective if you were polite.

cmsimon dont be upset I love you brother.

gnulogic: thanks. i appreciate the feedback. luv u 2. --Shalom.

cmsimon, maybe who should read better the community guidelines it's you. I can't see an item 5 saying that cmsimon will be the the ufficially endorsed / authorized moderator by gNS, FSF, RMS or anyone else, nor that you can overcorrect any other person participating to this forum.

On your personal site you affirm to be a libertarian, well, as an anarchistyou should grant to the others the same degree of freedom you ask for yourself.

Salaam.

Random thoughts for arc and others on the forum.

Proper Free Software terminology and usage is tremendously integral to ensure the health of the Free Software community. I've noticed we have lots and lots of Free Software. We have lots and lots of Free Software users. We have lots and lots of developers contributing to our Free Software community. This is good but popularity and Free Software volume were never the focal points and goal. Freedom for software users are the principles and goals of what we do. I raise the issue through sincere observations that what we don't have are lots and lots of Free Software users and developers concerned about making the Free Software philosophy clear to others so as to sustain what we've struggled to win and the primacy of the entire framework of which GNU and its modified form, GNU/Linux, is built.

It may seem intuitive to rationalize that given this to be true (we have lots of Free Software available at the moment) this is only solid on the rippling surface (outside) because under serious scope it crumbles within. Today you may have a particular freedom but if you don't value it, if you don't fight to keep it, as Richard tirelessly campaigns for then you're cultivating the seed of losing it. You may damn well wager there are companies and institutions involved that want you to relax and slip into apathy. You reflect yer values through actions and words. However subtle and innocuous what you say and do may appear, presuming others already in the 'know' is harmful. Instructing, challenging, and correcting others sometimes perturbs them and yields hostile personal attacks irrelevant to the actual issue, as most people are aware, but it remains vital to our well-being.

The modified GNU system that most people have come to know and love exists solely because of Richard Stallman, the GNU Project, the Free Software Foundation, and the Free Software community. Tens of thousands, if not more, of people are responsible for the success of Free Software. I propose if I or someone else seems harsh, anal-retentive, and an all aroun' stickler in w0rding choices it is out of love; there is something to be said for personal tact, eloquence, elocution, so on so forth but some people aren't as articulate or capable; they are doing what they think is right.

I believe an honest person is hard-pressed to genuinely reason against the w0rds to avoid section on the GNU web site, the GNU/Linux FAQ, and simply the fact of pivotal necessity to convey a true account of the systems historical, technical, and ethical origins. --Shalom

Santos': Currently, I am the principle author of them. --CMS.

I have an Aspire 5100 it works great only with free software except for the fucking ATI.

The atheros card I used madwifi hal.

I think I have to make some clarifications about this issue because from my previous posts my position is not clear.

cmsimon is RIGHT. The words we use in irc, forums, mailing list and so on are VERY VERY important to spread the right message about free software philosophy.

gNewSense is and will always be a good vehicle to spread the philosophy of the GNU project because, as Richard uses to say, the technological part and the philosophical part are ONE. They can't be divided because they are two faces of the same coin BOTH really very important.

We tried to summarize that on the gNewSense guidelines to explain all the gNewSense users (old and new ones) that this project is not "just another GNU/Linux distribution" but it was born to defend our freedom!

You don't do this only when you use gNewSense. You defend your freedom when you speak, when you buy things, when you talk to others about that.

It's for this reason that when you say open/close instead of free/non free or when you say Linux instead of GNU/Linux you are harming our free softeware community even if you didn't want to do so.

I don't agree with how cmsimon "educate users" but I was talking about the "method", all the things he says are RIGHT.

This should be clear. We are here to help people with gNewSense but ALSO to educate them to defend their freedom. Those two things can't be divided.

and i would like to make it clear that arc is absolutely right; i am a jackass (but not always). *hugs arc* --Shalom.